Posts by Dutchy Elle

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Anyone need older publications?

by Kaput in

if anyone is interested, i have quite a few older publications available (bound volumes, "rainbow" series, yearbooks, etc.).

(no, i don't run a business.

these have just accumulated over the years.

Dutchy Elle

Hello Kaput,

If you have those ones, I like to have the two books "Light" (volume 1 and 2). I live in the Netherlands.

Thank you,

Greetings,

Elle

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THE NEWS IS BIGGER THAN DATELINE, BBC, CBC, ETC.

by AndersonsInfo in

if i told you that something bigger is on the horizon than dateline, bbc, cbc, sunday (australia), and all other tv programs which exposed the sexual child abuse cover-up by watchtower in 2002-2003, would you believe me?

have i ever misled you?

i'll answer that--no!

Dutchy Elle

Hi Gladiator,

I saw on the Dutch discussionboard that you are now also a member of this JWDF. And I saw your post .

Welcome!

I'm eager to hear the Big News!

Greetings,

Dutchy Elle

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Since when does a woman have the right to preside...?

by Lady Lee in

since when does a woman have the right to preside over the congregation?

we all know that the wts relegates women to a secondary place within the congregation.

women would never be allowed to be on the gb even if they were anointed.

Dutchy Elle

Hi Lady Lee,

In Eph. 5:21 Paul says (according to the NW-translation) to ALL members of the congregation (male and female) :

"Be in subjection to one another in the fear of Christ."

This was said to the congregation-members. This is in accordance with Galatians where Paul says in chapter 3:28 :

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female, for YOU are all one [person] in union with Christ Jesus."

If there is no longer a difference in the congregation for Jew to Greek, in slave to freeman, in male to female, then everyone (even male and female) is in the congregation on the same level! There is no difference anymore. In the congregation the man is NOT the head of the woman in general !! And Christ is the HEAD of ALL!

So the man is only the head of HIS woman in marriage, the man is NOT the head over ALL women in the congregation! And that's why Paul makes a difference in Eph. 5 between subjection in the congregation and subjection in marriage. In 5:21 it's about the congregation members (male AND female); in 5:22 it's about marriage, and ONLY IN MARRIAGE the wifes should be in subjection to their husbands as to the Lord. In the congregation the have to be in subjection TO ONE ANOTHER!

Maybe I'm wrong, but these are my two cents .

Greetings from the Netherlands,

Dutchy Elle

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W.T. quotes about "visible" and "invisible presence" of Jesus 2nd coming?

by hubert in

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i would like to find where the watchtower said in their books that jesus was coming "visibly" to inspect all religions in 1918-1919. .

and, i am looking for the quotes that say he "came, but invisibly" after they realized that he didn't come at all, and what proof they give for that statement.. thanks...hubert

Dutchy Elle

Hi Somebody,

Thank you for the more recent quotes!

You see, I'm out of the JW already 22 years .

Greetings,

Dutchy Elle

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W.T. quotes about "visible" and "invisible presence" of Jesus 2nd coming?

by hubert in

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i would like to find where the watchtower said in their books that jesus was coming "visibly" to inspect all religions in 1918-1919. .

and, i am looking for the quotes that say he "came, but invisibly" after they realized that he didn't come at all, and what proof they give for that statement.. thanks...hubert

Dutchy Elle

Hi Somebody,

You said:

"The WTS INC teach that Christ returned twice so far and will again for a third time. ; Which goes against what they teach to be pa·rou·si´a. Go figure! "

This is really true. They say that Jesus Christ (# 1) "came" invisible in 1914, after that he (# 2) "came" together with the Father in 1918 to the spiritual temple, and (# 3) he wil "come" at Armageddon.

So the second coming is in fact a three-stage coming.

See WT Feb. 1, 1962, page 95 "Questions of Readers" :

By our consideration of Bible prophecy and modern events we discern that the Lord Jesus Christ, in company with Jehovah God, came to the spiritual temple in the spring of 1918. It was after that year, particularly from 1919 forward, that the remnant of Christ’s anointed disciples began preaching the good news of God’s kingdom as having been established in the heavens in 1914. How long after the Lord’s coming to the temple must this preaching continue? Until the "Son of man arrives" for the execution of Jehovah’s judgment. This will be in the "war of the great day of God the Almighty," at Armageddon. In connection with that arrival Jesus said, in Revelation 16:15: "Look! I am coming as a thief. Happy is the one that stays awake and keeps his outer garments, that he may not walk naked and people look upon his shamefulness."

Some other churches believe that the second coming is a two-stage coming. The first part is a "coming" for the "rapture" of the true believers (an invisible "coming") , and the second part after some time is when he "comes" to judge the world.

Greetings,

Dutchy Elle

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Flood help in reasoning book.

by bother_forever in

when going door to door at a young age, the topic concerning the flood would from time to time arise, when i first encountered this topic with a "knowledgeable" householder i knew i needed fire power and fast.

it was when opening the "reasoning on the scriptures" book that i knew i would find something to not only amaze the householder with a fact that could not be argued with, but i would re affirm my faith and be happy, etc etc.

there was nothing, no flood heading, after pointing this out to a few bro&sis that our main weapon in the field seemed to lack some fire power in this subject i was told that it was not a neccessary subject for the society to have it in such a book.

Dutchy Elle

Hi,

Here is an essay about the flood.

http://www.commentarypress.com/essay-flood.html

Greetings,

Dutchy Elle

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Flood help in reasoning book.

by bother_forever in

when going door to door at a young age, the topic concerning the flood would from time to time arise, when i first encountered this topic with a "knowledgeable" householder i knew i needed fire power and fast.

it was when opening the "reasoning on the scriptures" book that i knew i would find something to not only amaze the householder with a fact that could not be argued with, but i would re affirm my faith and be happy, etc etc.

there was nothing, no flood heading, after pointing this out to a few bro&sis that our main weapon in the field seemed to lack some fire power in this subject i was told that it was not a neccessary subject for the society to have it in such a book.

Dutchy Elle

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Flood help in reasoning book.

by bother_forever in

when going door to door at a young age, the topic concerning the flood would from time to time arise, when i first encountered this topic with a "knowledgeable" householder i knew i needed fire power and fast.

it was when opening the "reasoning on the scriptures" book that i knew i would find something to not only amaze the householder with a fact that could not be argued with, but i would re affirm my faith and be happy, etc etc.

there was nothing, no flood heading, after pointing this out to a few bro&sis that our main weapon in the field seemed to lack some fire power in this subject i was told that it was not a neccessary subject for the society to have it in such a book.

Dutchy Elle

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Can I get Reproved or Disfellowshipped for not...

by Smoky in

jw
friends

preaching (door to door), commenting, or giving talks?.

i am currently fading away, but i occasionaly go to the meetings, just to show my face from time to time, basically to maintain my relationships with friends and family.

i guess leaving everything, is a jump i am not ready for, just yet.

Dutchy Elle

Hi Elsewhere,

Here is your article in the KM of 2/89 which says that we go voluntary in the field service.

Greetings,

Dutchy Elle

Our

Identification as Jehovah’s Witnesses

As ministers of the good news, we are known publicly as Jehovah’s Witnesses. Our voluntary participation in the field service is motivated by love of God and neighbor. It is not carried on at the insistence of any man or organization but is according to our God-given commission to preach the "good news" and make disciples. (Matt. 24:14; 28:19, 20) Therefore, publishers do well to avoid representing themselves as agents or representatives of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc., or any other corporation used by "the faithful and discreet slave" to advance Kingdom interests.—Matt. 24:45-47.

In case of an accident or an emergency or if problems are encountered while working trailer parks, apartments, or certain other territory, publishers may need some form of personal identification beyond giving their name along with a brief Scriptural explanation of the nature of our religious work. If questioned, or when asked for credentials, baptized publishers may use the identification card (S-65) signed by the presiding overseer, which shows one is preaching the good news of the Kingdom in association with the local congregation named on the card.

A supply of identification cards (S-65), which may be issued to baptized publishers when there is a need, will be included with the annual shipment of congregation forms. If any publishers use a personal name card in connection with their field service activities, they should not print thereon that they are representatives of the Watchtower Society.

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The facts on crucifixion, stauros, and the "torture stake"

by Leolaia in

finally, i will look at biblical and patristic evidence bearing on the crucifixion of jesus in particular.

we need to examine the earliest known descriptions of the kind of crucifixion adopted by the romans and the specific terms they used to refer to it.

apparently the society believes that crux still meant "stake" in the second century a.d., when tacitus composed his annals.

Dutchy Elle

Thank you, Leolaia !!

A great post. I printed it out and made a file in Word.

Greetings,

Dutchy Elle